Mine runs fine with and without my Obsidian 45. Important information regarding ammo orders, Important information regarding pistol braces, The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles [2023], The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles, The Ultimate Guide To Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCCs) & Submachine Guns (SMGs), The Ultimate Buyer's Guide to Bullpup Rifles & Shotguns for [2023], AR10 Ultimate Guide: The Definitive Guide to the Best AR10s, AR10 Parts, and AR10 Accessories [2023]. Or have they paused it to work on the fix? Thumb is talking about. I stuck with it, kept shooting, and after I had about 500 rounds down-range, that problem settled and I'm now getting consistent groups and solid accuracy both suppressed, and unsuppressed. It shot a shotgun pattern group at close distances. Its a delayed blowback system that will suppress well if the gun works as advertised. Yeah I'm using the Neilson device that's standard on the AAC TiRant 45M. $120.64. Basically, think modern .30 Carbine sort of concept with more effective terminal ballistics - 1700-2000 fps but in a compact SMG/PCC that can reach out to a legit 150+ yd w/out much if any holdover and still be a very controllable weapon. Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. Maybe get a good one or a dud hoping Lwrc knows whats causing it and is able to fix it . Too busy at work. HKUMPUMP45. My HK parts mags didn't have the V1 stamp. The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. It features an adjustable length of pull and, based on the two screws seen in the top tube, possibly a facility for future cheek rests. (Especially if you SBR them.). For 3k price, I will go for a top of the line Wilson Combat AR pistol that takes glock mag AND with the rest of the money get a Glock 19 that also takes Glock mag. LWRC SMG 45 Problems Prudii Jul 28, 2020 5 3,392 Prudii PMMEYOURCZPICS Supporting Member Multi-Factor Enabled Joined Jun 11, 2017 Messages 1,442 Location Triad Rating - 100% 35 0 0 Jul 28, 2020 #1 TL;DW Significant accuracy issues across multiple guns with random flyers 10+ MOA away from point of aim. If I had a new gun, was raving about it and then it turned into a lemon, Id let people know instantly. It's hard to justify the utility in having more than one pistol and one rifle. Free Weapon Pack for FiveM. Constructed using high performance aluminum and steel materials with premium hard coat anodized nitride nickel boron surface treatments throughout, the SMG .45 is built to last. Ive made that argument before but Id rather not follow that groove on certain popular game guns I guess and the Vector is one of them. Ships with 2 25 round US- manufactured UMP magazines with Paddle Style mag release for easy load and mag changes. Its junk. A total of two 25-round UMP magazines arrive with the LWRC SMG 45. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol . https://youtu.be/BIPCn-aYMoM, I have been waiting four years for this gun, honestly I was afraid it was vaporware. All Rights Reserved. They are awesome. By So, after watching said video- I literally just got back (just now) from the range trying to recreate the test that Garand did. The mags are the issue to me. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Display as a link instead, Thats kinda ridiculous. LWRC SMG45 apparently has major accuracy issues tacarl2808 Jul 28, 2020 1 2 3 Next tacarl2808 Frontiersman 80 0 Jul 28, 2020 #1 Garand Thumb posted a review showing 8 inch groups at 17 yards, while also shooting inch groups with other PCC's at the same distance. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Absolutely love this sub-gun and couldn't be happier with the fit, finish, accuracy or reliability. If you prefer different caliber rumors about caliber conversion kits appear to be confirmed and you will likely see them coming out soon. I asked, but the armorer is not saying anything. by 3dcart Online Store Creator. Has MOS and suppressor Height Sights, Desert Tech MDRx vs CZ Bren 2 Carbine vs LWRC IC-A5, FS/FT Mk18 (BLK) with upgrades $2k weekend only, FS Springfield Lightweight compact Range Officer, FS Zro Delta AR-15 (over 1400 value) PRICE REDUCED, FT John Wick Budget Blaster /glock 34 gen 5 MOS, FS/FT 16 Springfield Saint - upgraded rail & gas block Vltor, ADM, FS Sig P320 XFull with Romeo1Pro *REDUCED*, FS AR-15 with Monstrum Spectre LPVO - Rare Left Eye Dominant Config, FS/FT NEW - RADICAL FIREARMS AR PISTOL 10.5" BARREL - $369.99 CASH. LWRL04-0038C01. Yea gets worse if you add a can. I dunno about Rainbow Six but the original CS made the PSG-1, G3 and Styer Scout popular and MW3/The Division both made the Vector popular along with the Osprey line of suppressors from SiCo. Well, probably not near you, but it is just a click away here at GUNPRIME. I saw one of these on a tv gun show last week and started looking them up for extra info. Thats exactly why I posted this. Select Options. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. 9mm Luger guy here so it's a pass for me. Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.9 lbs and . Manufacturer: LWRC International Model: SMG Caliber: 45 Auto / ACP SKU: 850006403509 MPN: SMGPB45B8S UPC: 850006403509 Vendor: Gunprime (3) Sale! You are using an out of date browser. This System is just perfection LWRCI really went all out on the design and functionality. pscipio03 Fun O' Meter on FULL Joined Mar 11, 2013 I'm glad to gear it's shooting well for someone. All 4 feed perfectly in this gun. Can we get it from LWRC for the current owner? A non-reciprocating forward charging handle can be swapped from the left to the right side depending on the users preference. Having fired the Vector (in .45) and the MP5K both with the giggle switch installed, Im partial to the Vector. You get all the muzzle velocity increase youll practically see with LWRCs barrel length, a caliber begging for a can, and a half-inch thumper of a bullet out the end. The right side of the LWRC SMG-45 features a bolt release and bolt catch that mirrors the AR-style one on the left side. you will not feel that way with the controls of the SMG-45 if you're left handed. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. So I can understand that. Or it will group ok and them have 7-9 flyers . The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. Active rebates (10) Winchester Target Rifle Ammo Rebate 2023. Typical LWRC quality. I once again was driving holes in a 1inch group from a standing position at 25 yards. There is still a market for it there and they can distinguish themselves a bit. Semi-Automatic Rifles . Brand Winchester Expiration date 2023-Apr-30. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Yeah, but what kinda short-sighted clown specs a new SMG in .45 ACP at the first offering? Home protection? You must log in or register to reply here. But when you can have those 25 rounds hanging off the gun just forward the trigger then youve drastically changed a factor in caliber choice. Store Price Shipping rate Show more; Prepper Gun Shop. The result is an extremely high damage per shot for an engineer weapon, as well as increased damage multipliers to the limbs and a slightly increased damage multiplier to the head. After tuning the mags haven't had a jam or failure to feed in months. Mags are back in stock at LWRCI, just grabbed 2 more! Got the zero pretty much on but it was still scattered all over the target. I read his review. I first shot it with the 15rd mag and suppressed with a AAC Tirant 45M. .Personally, if I was going to buy something specifically because I saw it in a game it would be like the BFG from Doom, Gravity Gun from Half-Life or something crazy from Borderlands or the Destiny franchise., Im still waiting for a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. For the commercial market it will be available in both SBR and SB Tactical pistol-braced pistol forms. They aren't the first to start trying to find a culprit part, tolerance, CNC machine, forge error, mold error, etc. Low recoil due to the delayed blowback system. They did indicate it would be using 9mm UMP-pattern magazines as well. Yeah I thought they had given up on it. It is as gassy as my AR45 build. Should I buy one and hope for the best . Using the factory V1 mags, I put through 25 rounds of Federal aluminum case and 25 rounds of 230 ball reloads. Description. Calculated in Cart: details: KyGunCo. I am hoping they have some updates at Shot show. I think you guys are right about many people owning them and not realizing there is accuracy issues maybe not seeing it of just blaming there own shooting or Ammo on bad groups and flyers . LWRCI ICR5TG16SPRBT IC-SPR 556 16.1 BILLET TUNG. They developed the gun for the government. Please enter your username or email address. Grouped like shit, mine is damn consistent in its groupings. Upload or insert images from URL. Im just concerned about the accuracy. NEW SMG .45 PISTOL. If so, I would love one. The item you are trying to purchase is currently out of stock.Please enter your name, email, and phone number below. Love the .45 round, the size and weight of the rig. A transfer, not for sale. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol. This gun comes with 4 x 25 round magazines. I started trying to zero it at 25m with the suppressor but couldn't get all the hits on the 1/2 size silhouette so I moved the target to 20m. All firearms ship from our APPROVED FFL Dealers. Any updates yet? Also didn't seem to like plated bullets, and if I'm not mistaken the bolt carrier actually cracked and was messing with the way it functioned. Add To Cart. 3k for a new gun that might shoot like sh!t is a real bummer for sure. $2350 shipped. LWRCI SMG .45- PISTOL CALIBER PERFECTION. Suppressed or unsuppressed. It is multicaliber and I'm told there will be a 9mm conversion in the future. THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a semi auto machine pistol. They are very hard to find however & most you do find are MSRP $2999 or much more on Gunbroker, ect. For $3k I can pick up a Vector in both .45 ACP AND 10mm. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. It uses a delayed blowback recoil system and has very light recoil compared to your typical 9mm AR. 2.7kg. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. You can shoot a PCC much faster and more accurately than a pistol. Lwrc never responded to my design flaw email or at least not yet. https://www.lwrci.com/assets/images/5563.jpg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOxjWxpi5bg. This baby eats everything and is now my full time travel companion (sorry mpx-k) totally worth the wait an the price. It was very accurate with RD site out to almost 75yds until I saw big drop. I'd pass. The ambidextrous controls and MLOK handguard makes for a highly customizable weapons platform. Update so shortly after I got my SMG-45, I started seeing flyers and accuracy issues (like in the Garand Thumb YouTube review). Much as I like my HK pistols I do hate the fact that there are no 3rd party vendors for HK parts in general which means mags are pricey and remain that way. Realistically, its no different from all the tools who grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune in the 70s and 80s. Too many guns, not enough range time. You either have a bad disconnector, very loose trigger/hammer pins, a bad spring, or an incorrectly manufactured lower. All Rights Reserved. Would have fun owning it if I could afford such an extravagance and all that money to keep it well fed. This SMG has been shown at least since NRA 2016 in Louisville, theyve had plenty of opportunity to change to 9MM and go to M-LOK, especially considering its stratospheric (for a pistol caliber PDW) $3000 price tag. Not to mention how many people with SMG/PDW/pistols/whatever put cans on them? No range time to proof any of this yet. let me add though regardless of your dominant hand everyone that I have let get familiar with it has really been blown away by how intuitive running it has been. Horrible reviews. One new winner* is announced every week! Ships with 2 25 round US- manufactured UMP magazines with Paddle Style mag release for easy load and mag changes. The SMG-45 was released at the end of 2019 but at SHOT 2020 LWRC had more to say about the platform. Most people are cheap and stupidthats why that sell the sh/t out of Budweiser, Bud Light, and Michelob Ultra. It may not display this or other websites correctly. $19.99 for firearms: details: Primary Arms. Clear editor. Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.2 lbs and compact folding to a mere 15.3" Listening closely to shooters, operators and consumers, the SMG .45 Pistol design features compact ergonomics with unique performance features including: an 8.5" Cold Hammer Forged Chromoly Steel Barrel, LWRCI user-configurable rail systemwith strategically placed Picatinny segments, LWRCI Rail Panels at 3,6 and 9 with hand stop,LWRCI Fully ambidextrous lower controls, LWRCIUltra Combat Grip, New and Improved Advanced Fire Control Group, Magpul MBUS Pro Sights and more . If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Serial number- 4AM00280. Without a doubt the LWRC SMG 45 is the perfect weapon of choice for military, police and all shooters alike. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. It's such a great little package on 45. Ive read all the reviews and videos. 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You have entered an incorrect email address! Evidently MY SMG doesn't like the extra weight of the suppressor on the front end. Im sure Im not alone. Yet, it still fired when the time came. In full auto, the best I could do was 4-5 round bursts. Come join the discussion about other firearms, gun ownership, gun care, tactical firearms, small arms, optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I would suggest buying a UMP conversion if you want this sort of experience and want it to work. inclined who could definitely screw this process up I'm hoping something as simple as this Is part of the problem . It would be a shame not to shoot it suppressed. Voyager1 Sergeant of the Hide. Used it on a buy/walk tonight and it's the perfect size and weight for vehicle operations. I keep coming back to look at that picture. I have been thinking about one of these or the B & T apc 45 but both seem to have issues. If it werent for the $3k price tag Id seriously consider it. I really want one or these just a little nervous from issues people had with the gen 1s. Or for that matter, are there any .45 ACP SMG's that can also run .45 Super? ago The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. You could also buy 10 Hi Point carbines for that price, and in several different calipers of your choice. He lives outside of Austin, TX. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Great fit and finish in tradition of LWRC. Yeah, games sell guns and get people into firearms. SMG-45LWRCISIX8ICAR-15AR-15 UMP SMG-45 2016LWRCIUMPSMG-45 SMG-458.51:16.57828.40/45SMG-45LWRCI Mine is a late #2xx serial number with around 500 rounds to date. Thanks! Today we're reviewing the updated version of the LWRC SMG 45! They fixed the accuracy issue. I have a dozen pistols, 4 sub-guns, and 8 rifles. They scored me one at a great price (why you should always support your local dealers). The first one, was one of the first produced and it had some issues with magazine pressure and failures to feed. I could go on and on with examples like thatcars, A/V equipment, etc. In my occupation with my team we needed something to fill the role between pistol and long gun so I have experience with a wide range of sub guns, but being left handed I always had to compromise with certain features and most platforms I used and trained with tended to have ambi controls that just seemed to be added as an afterthought. (The two round burst function is a technological marvel.) Keep those in mind, and follow the online videos, and eventually you'll muscle through reassembly. Awesome concept, wish it'd been executed differently. Haven't had a problem since although only a few mags through it so far, and no issues with two other mags I ordered from LWRC. Evidently MY SMG doesn't like the extra weight of the suppressor on the front end. I have really wanted a .45 PCC for a while & I think the LWRC is the modern day Thompson. And since it looks heavily AR in its design, I wonder if its going to break trigger pins every 800 rounds like many other 9MM AR platform guns do. Update on my Non-V1 Magazine. LWRL04-0056C01. Only trade would be a Vudoo sporter style .22 in great shape. I wouldnt say he hated it . It's an added bonus that it's coming from a company with great people that are very helpful if you ever have the pleasure to call them. The gun will not group better than 6 to 8 inch groups at 25yrds. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. A .45 Subgun pistol I could SBR down the road. Available in 9mm and 45 ACP, the LWRC SMG pistol has an 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged Chromoly steel barrel, a full-length Picatinny rail, a highly customizable M-LOK mounting system with panels at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock positions, fully ambidextrous controls, a proprietary Ultra Combat Grip, an SB Tactical Folding Brace, and Magpul MBUS Pro Sights. Maybe they had a vote, maybe its something else but it is what it is. Its the reason why HK early on, only developed 45 ACP suppressed with the Mark 23 SOCOM for Navy Seals and later USP for civilians. If any of you are looking for quality mags, HKparts just got more German HK UMP 45s magazines in. Ambi Selector Switch. Speaking of backpack guns and PDWs, the collapsible length of a mere 15.3 inches with its SB tactical folding brace provides the handler high concealability. FS/FT NEW - RADICAL FIREARMS RF-15 RIFLES AVAILABLE IN 5.56, 300 BLACKOUT, AND 7.62X39 FS Tag Heuer Formula 1 Chronograph (New Updates! For more information, please see our Report a problem. My SMG has been back at LWRC for almost 9 weeks..I sent it off for accuracy issues after some extensive testing with a variety of different ammo, including match ammo. The SMG 45's 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged chromoly steel barrel gives overall length of 26 inches; that shrinks to 15.25 inches with the pistol brace folded to the right of the receiver. I really wanted these to work. There have been multiple people claim the same issue. The SMG-45 is sure to become extremely popular with anyone who appreciates suppressed shooting. LWRC made a natural choice in chambering their first submachine gun/pistol in the classic .45 ACP cartridge. What if they just used a set pin instead of a grub screw (or whatever type screw theyre using). $65.95. It has been operating flawlessly right out of the gate and seems to eat anything from regular target rounds to my duty carry +P rounds consistently without any issues. Compare prices for 850006403509 - LWRC International SMG Pistol 45 ACP SMGPB45B8S from all vendors. Unfortunately I hear the UMP is a big step down in quality from the MP5.. Developed for the needs of a government contract back in 2015, this submachine gun (SMG) as LWRC calls it only recently came available in a pistol version available for the general public. And the former is accomplished by other PCCs half the price. pwrserge says: Takes range time from my 1911's and other handguns with similar portability and much better accuracy at distance. That's all I really wanted. ICA5U5B16. My distributor has backorders for 1k+ units, and so far has received zero fro LWRC. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. The accuracy and the butt stock being set down slightly are the only things he disliked from the whole package . Without adding too much length on to any host firearm, this SiCo suppressor is one of the most maneuverable on our 45 ACP suppressor list. (Although my Barrett MRAD is definitely in the top-3. I own lots of firearms Im way past necessity so looks are very important as bad as that sounds I still want it to work imagine that . Specifications: CALIBER: .45 ACP BARREL: 8.5"" Cold Hammer Forged Chromoly Steel Barrel WEIGHT: 5.9 lbs LENGTH: 15.25-26" MUZZLE THREADS: . Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRCs own attachment system). The only thing Vectors do well is take glock mags and, theoretically, better at full auto. Hell, I just got the new gun itch I guess. Stove piped 3 out of 5 shots. You will receive a link to create a new password via email. However now that I have been running the SMG-45 and have several thousand rounds down the pipe I'm a believer. Pasted as rich text. Sadly, Kriss wont ship factory SBRs to my state because reasons so it went on the back burner while I got my MP5K pistol and waited on paperwork. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Is it possible you have the barrel screw too loose, or too tight? LWRCI SMG 45 Specifications Make: LWRC International Model: SMG 45 Action Type: short-recoil-delayed, blowback-operated, semi-automatic, center-fire pistol Chambering: .45 ACP . LWRC SMG UMP 45 Auto Magazine 25 Round. These versions all come with an 8.5 barrel, the SB Tactical SBTi folding subgun brace and two 25-round magazines (or less capacity depending on how much Freedom your location allows). Quick View. Trick #2: Hold the collar - turn the barrel 1/4 turn counter clockwise - slide off the collar I found a like new used Kriss for $1200. You should have no problem finding one." It's a tack driver, takes Glock mags, and cost 1/3 of what the LWRC cost. I've got a long time relationship with the company, so they take pretty good care of me. After the eternal wait to finally get my fingers on it this is one amazing toy! If you see one in a gun store all the people my age and below want to marvel at it, play with it and a bunch of them end up muzzling people with it. It didnt work out so well. It's needed since it's recoil operated just like a tilting barrel pistol and extra weight affects it the same way. Question any one have one of the new smg with the 4 in the serial number? Hell, it could have been a lengthy internal discussion, it could have been the head of the company likes 45 so much and scoffed at everyone else. The first one, was one of the first produced and it had some issues with magazine pressure and failures to feed. I got to handle one at my LGS. The Hide Armory. The fact that its not a simple blowback design is nice, the design seems pretty robust, and I like the fact that it shoots an inherently sub-sonic round. I want one of these but not until they are squared away.